All advtg will be digital & all digital advtg will be programmatic: Brian Lesser
Programmatic buying may be relatively small in India right now but it could be one of those markets which does not go through an adolescence period and directly transitions into the maturity phase, says Brian Lesser, Global CEO, Xaxis

Brian Lesser, Global CEO, Xaxis, talks about Xaxis’ vision of the future of digital advertising, the rapid growth of programmatic buying in India and how it applies to native advertising. Lesser also comments on India as a key market in APAC for Xaxis and how video will power the business in India.
Xaxis, part of GroupM and WPP, is a digital media company servicing over 2,700 clients in 33 markets across North America, Europe, Asia Pacific and Latin America.
What about programmatic buying? It is quite the buzzword these days; though still to see traction in India.
I think, ultimately, all advertising will be digital and all digital advertising will be traded programmatically. It’s just a matter of how quickly individual markets will develop. India is very sophisticated, there is a tremendous amount of technology that is developed in the country and what we have seen in other markets is that when you have the right technology-rich environment, media companies or publishers will accelerate adoption. We have few publishers adopting programmatic trading in India but this will pick up over time and when that happens, it will also open up new inventories like us so we can collect data more effectively and serve ads more effectively. So programmatic may be relatively small in India right now but it could be one of those markets which does not go through an adolescence period but directly into the maturity phase.
But with people spending more and more time on digital properties like Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, etc. which do not have your traditional ad unit ‘boxes’, where does programmatic fit into this world, where native advertising seems to be the more efficient option?
You can buy native advertising programmatically in many markets today. The great thing about programmatic is that it is just a mechanism to buy ad inventory and so it can be applied to any type of inventory, whether it is display, video or even social. The key to programmatic is to understand your audience and apply those understanding to different types and formats. So there is no reason that programmatic will not apply to native advertising. In fact, native advertising is perfect for programmatic in some ways because you can not only customize your audience but also the creative.
Can you tell me something about your expansion plans this year and where does India lie in these plans?
Right now Xaxis is present in 34 countries. WPP is in 110 markets. So we have a lot of headroom to expand geographically. We just started a business in Russia, Brazil and Middle-east. By the end of this year we will be in around 40 markets.
We see India as a key market for growing our business in Asia-Pacific as well as globally. The other area we will expand, besides geographically, is through new products. We are constantly launching new products across various channels and you will see how quickly we roll these products out.
Can you give some examples of these new products?
One is Xaxis Sync, which was actually developed in the Netherlands and is now live in four markets. Sync allows us to match a mobile ad to what is happening on TV. This is in our mobile suite of products but it interacts really well with television and we offer it to many of our television advertisers. So, you will see more of this kind of innovation from Xaxis.
When can we see Sync in India?
It is still in development for other markets, maybe in 2015.
It is interesting that you mentioned this product. With we living in an increasingly multi-screen world, will advertisers need to start thinking about linking different mediums simultaneously?
Yes, what we are going to arrive at is a world where advertisers no longer segregate budgets according to channels. Within the next 5 years we will have sophisticated advertisers who will want a channel-agnostic media plan which will be much more focused on the actual format, the creatives and how are they gleaning insights from the inventory rather than trying to divide mobile, social, etc. This is the promise of programmatic.
How does Xaxis see itself----are you a technology development company or are you a digital advertising agency?
We consider ourselves as a programmatic media and technology platform. The reason we say that is, depending on the market we bring different markets to our advertisers. For example, in Europe, we are very oriented towards video. In markets like Germany and UK, over 50% of our business is online video, whereas, in markets like North America we are less penetrated in terms of video but we have some innovative products in digital OOH, mobile and, even, radio.
How are things looking for Xaxis in India?
We have had presence in India for more than two years. Our business here started out primarily as display business where we were using data to target banner advertising. But what we have seen in the last 6-12 months is that video business is growing and becoming very important in India. We recently launched our Data Management Platform (DMP)—Turbine, and that is going to power all of our display business and television business. I see, in the next two to three years, video is going to power the business here in India. But, we are also looking at other channels as we think of programmatic as channel agnostic. We want to find the audience where they are, whether it is on the mobile phone or on the PC or through social media, etc. So I think over the course of the next couple of years, Xaxis will also have offerings in digital OOH and even television.
We still have issues with digital OOH in India though. How do you plan to overcome those?
We have businesses currently globally where we do Digital OOH, so what it needs is some network that allows us to serve ads programmatically at bus kiosks, shopping malls, health clubs, taxi cubs, etc. So we do need that infrastructure in place to start digital OOH business. The other thing is that through mobile devices there are more media owners are enabling ‘beacons’ that allow us to target advertising where the phone owner is through a billboard or a kiosk. So, we do need the structure in India but it is moving in the right direction.
Will you be partnering with any OOH agencies here?
Yes, absolutely. We have some of the components within Group M; within WPP definitely. Whenever we are developing products around digital OOH we partner with other agencies within WPP.
Now that you have come out with Turbine, what advantage do you think it gives you in a high-potential market like India?
So, part of the problem with data is that it is so abundant that it becomes more and more difficult to store it appropriately and it is even more difficult to extract it in a way that is meaningful and apply it against inventory. In the past when software companies produced DMPs, you could think of it as a box and the more data that was produced, the bigger the box needed to be. That is a very old way of thinking about DMP architecture.
The way we think of DMP is not as a box but as ‘listeners’ we put into the data stream which enables us to understand what data is important and action that very quickly. For a market in India, where there is such high mobile penetration, we can not only be more effective in capturing data in order to build models but also in taking action against inventory in real-time.
Why did you feel the need to build your own Digital Management Platform (DMP)?
There are two reasons. In Xaxis we always believe that we need to build software that gives us proprietary advantage though we also partner with a lot of the best companies in the industry. We feel that data management is the most important part of the advertising technology stack. We think our future will be built around data and all the products we bring to market will draw from data. The second reason is when we looked at the market and evaluated other solutions in the market we did not find any solutions that would suit our purposes.
When you spoke about becoming platform-agnostic as well as video being a key medium in coming years, I suppose you are talking about reducing the divide between digital and TV. One of the problems here could be the lack of common metrics for both, especially in a country like India where we have already seen some issues around TV metrics. How big is this a challenge and how do you plan to overcome it?
I think you have hit the biggest nail, viz. metrics. Generally speaking, advertisers know how TV advertising performs. People like to say that TV advertising is not measurable but this is not true. Good advertisers know precisely the effects of advertising on television. In digital, I think, for traditional advertisers it is not as clear how much they spend on video or display or mobile and how that impacts their sales. So, when we talk about increasing our video business over time, we need to do is take the metrics that advertisers understand on television and transition them to digital.
The simplest way of thinking about that is that if an advertiser understands that broadcast gives you a certain amount of reach and frequency then online videos can be an extension of that—to reach users that they cannot reach via broadcast. On the other hand, they might be doing a very good job of reaching their audience through broadcasting but may want to increase their frequency. We are building systems that make it easy for advertisers to understand this trade-off between reach and frequency and the efficiency with which they can deliver that across channels.
So, you are saying it need not necessarily be an either/or situation for advertisers?
No, it should never be that. A lot of people talk about a transition from broadcast to digital but we think of it as more of an extension. We encourage advertisers to spend on TV, it’s just that some of what they do can be extended to online videos in very efficient ways. They both have to work together.
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Scrolling up or down: Where is India's digital news business headed?
As advertisers tightened their purse strings, media players faced a muted growth on their digital platforms in Q1 FY24. Veterans from the industry share the cause & effect of the situation
As the first two quarters for the fiscal year 2023-24 come to a wrap, news publishers are not only experiencing tectonic shifts in their print and broadcast media business, but their digital arm too is facing dynamic consumer shifts.
In an increasingly converged world, besides making sense on ROI matrices, digital offers extended reach at a very low cost, an ability to engage with the viewers in a two-way conversation, co-opt them into the content creation process, empower them by giving them a voice and retain them. The cost and business efficiencies clearly operate at many levels, says Sanjay Trehan, a digital and new media advisor.
According to a study by Reuters Institute, India is a strongly mobile-focused market where 72 percent readers access news through smartphones and just 35 percent via computers. However, despite the glittery user penetration numbers, advertisers, it seems, are not finding it worth investing their money in digital news publisher platforms.
For NDTV, the revenue was down by 35 percent in Q1 of 2023-24 due to lower advertising spends both on broadcasting and digital. Nevertheless, despite low advertisement spends, digital business remained profitable. For Network18 as well, revenue was flattish during the quarter as a weak advertising environment had an impact on the digital segment.
Jagran Prakashan Media’s Q1 FY24 digital revenue stood at Rs 14.43 crores as against Rs 16.78 crores in Q1-23. Mahendra Mohan Gupta, Chairman and Managing Director, Jagran Prakashan Limited, stated in the financial results that “Digital business had nearly the same revenue as in Q1 of the previous year partly because of unfavourable market conditions and partly because of inability to monetise the consumer base to the expected level.”
The Indian Express experienced a slowdown in ad revenue in the last two quarters but subscribers and events business performed well, according CEO Sanjay Sindhwani.
Focussing on sector-wise advertisers, Sindhwani underlined that the IT sector, which spends majorly on digital, has been severely impacted in the economic slowdown. The auto sector has supply chain issues where their order books are full but delivery is an issue. Now, because they are overbooked, advertising is not required for them, he said. Edtech is somewhat tumbling now, which has also resulted in layoffs and cost-cuts. In fact, the whole startup sector has been cost cutting heavily. Gaming was still big but has not seen much growth in the recent past due to regulatory issues and their restrictions on advertising.
For Republic, over the past year or so, there has been a significant shift in direct advertising towards digital publishers along with the always-growing network demand, shared Tapan Sharma, Head of Digital, Republic. The network’s revenue has also grown alongside the continuous growth of revenue in the industry.
Sharma believes the drop in advertisers is happening because advertisers and agencies have now become more aware, vigilant, and methodical with digital ad spending and campaign management. They are looking for better Return on Ad Spend (ROAS) and improving campaign efficiency.
“As a result, publishers who have not prepared themselves well to address the ever-evolving media planning and buying environment may be facing the challenges of monetising via advertising,” added Sharma.
Digital business sustains on two factors - Advertisers and subscribers. On one hand, where the advertisers are declining, publishers are generating quality content to increase their subscriber base who are ready to pay for paywalled content.
Trehan added, “For content behind paywalls to work, it has to be exclusive, differentiated, value-added and premium in nature viz. data and research. The more one has this kind of content, the better will be their subscription traction. Based on this Karmic principle, NYT today has about ten million subscribers, perhaps the most of any publisher in the world.”
The advertising revenue is further split into two - direct and programmatic. Publishers who have been heavily dependent on the latter have faced declining revenues because they have lost the traffic due to certain changes in Google and Facebook’s policies.
Pradeep Gairola, Business Head- Digital, The Hindu, has seen a positive growth in subscription revenue but not a large one. Fifty percent of their revenue comes via subscriptions and paywall content. The direct to programmatic advertising ratio for Hindu currently is at 70:30 split.
But there are obstacles for publishers who are more dependent on subscribers than advertisers too. Major one being, the subscriber revenue is not about acquisition but retention. And, Indian publishers have retention rates much lower than international publishers.
Gairola highlighted, “When we approached the business ages ago, we lacked the wisdom that this is not an acquisition business but a retention business. Retention depends a lot on what kind of audience you have been able to acquire. Secondly, what have you done to ensure that the audience builds a relationship with you and builds a habit around you.”
It is a pertinent industry problem because Indians are accustomed to free content. Unlike other countries, news in India has always been fragmented as an industry and has never charged a penny to its readers. This is also why The New York Times, The Guardian, and other international publishers have higher retention rates.
According to Sharma, the newspaper industry has not really made any significant increment in the subscription fee for the past many years. Whereas a digital news consumer was never asked to pay anything to read or watch news by Indian digital news publishers at large.
“Additionally, the sheer amount of content we are generating, we are not able to communicate or showcase the same to the reader. We haven't been able to establish to the reader how we add value,” shared The Hindu executive.
Further Sindhwani added, as a news publication, if one has to do credible content then it costs money. Customers need to appreciate and value good content in order to be able to pay money for it. The sooner the audience will understand that, the sooner they will be able to differentiate between free content and paid quality content.
Trehan also observed a trend of upward revision of subscription rates for digital when bundled with other value offerings. As more and more products are being bundled along with the main offering, rates are being hiked. Games, puzzles, premium content, exclusive videos are now becoming a part of the 'All Access' subscription.
Sharma believes news subscriptions in India will see significant growth over the next two to four years and publishers will certainly need to focus on offering discrete quality content consistently for paid users.
“The Indian digital news readers are now much more evolved and so is the industry. Within the next few years, the industry will experience habit creation amongst the users of paying for a digital news subscription. This has already started happening in the metros and will further grow in the rest of the markets,” he added.
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Twitter suffers massive outage for 2 hours
The problem reportedly started around 6.30 am on Thursday
Thousands of Twitter users were not able to login to their accounts on Thursday morning as the social media site experienced a massive outage for nearly two hours. The problem, which started around 6.30 am, lasted till round 8.30 am.
Users were unable to log in on Twitter website. However, the microblogging site was working fine on mobile phones.
According to outage tracking website Downdetector.com., User reports indicate Twitter is having problems since 7:13 EST" . Some users also reportedly complained that their Twitter notifications were not working.
In India, Twitter users are getting this message while trying to access the website: “Something went wrong, but don’t fret — it’s not your fault. Let’s try again," with options to refresh or log out.
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How 5G is set to draw more advertisers to emerging tech & gaming
The gaming industry, the fastest-growing space in digital advertising, has the most to gain from introduction of 5G, given that India is a mobile-first country in every segment, say industry players
The 5G spectrum auctions, set to begin on July 26, will see a total of 72,097.85 MHz of spectrum worth at least Rs 4.3 lakh crore put under the hammer. With Adani Data Networks now also staking its claim, in what was already a heated contest between Bharti Airtel, Reliance Jio, and VI (formerly Vodafone Idea), the amount is expected to exceed Rs 1 trillion, according to various industry experts.
The impact on the telecom industry aside, India’s subsequent adoption of 5G is expected to have huge implications on India’s growing digital economy, as well as its booming advertising and entertainment industry, which is expected to reach Rs 4,30,401 crore by 2026 at 8.8% CAGR, as recently reported by PwC's Global Entertainment & Media Outlook 2022-2026.
Mitesh Kothari, Co-founder and CCO, White Rivers Media, believes that consumers now understand internet technologies better than ever before. People who were cost-driven are becoming experience-driven and are actually willing to pay more for a better experience.
“5G is set to bring an immersive AR/VR, 4K video and mobile gaming experience to entice consumers. Plans clubbed with digital services are more likely to penetrate as people are more willing to pay for an ‘all-included’ experience. And, of course, 4G is going to be around anyway, so the ones who cannot afford 5G will always have an option,” he says.
On the impact of raised prices on the Indians who are about to come online, Ashwarya Garg, Co-founder, HYPD Marketing Technologies, said, “We have grown from 250M internet users to 900M internet users today. While the country today has 4G, there are still areas and localities where only 3G prevails. And in a few places, there is only 2G. It is roti, kapda, makaan and the internet today. So, there is no question about a dip in internet adoption,” he says.
Garg further says, “With the release of any new technology, there is a race for faster and quicker adoption. We will surely see a lot of ATL/BTL and influencer-led activities, campaigns specifically designed to educate and adopt on the 5G networks. We should expect a lot of activation via gaming creators, YouTubers, and artists popular on OTT platforms, all of whom would educate them about the end use case.”
Juhi Hajela, VP of Global Marketing at now.gg, points out that despite its massive growth and future potential, with only 47 per cent internet penetration, India is still growing its connected base. “Over the years, we observed that mobile internet connections emerged as a driving force for internet access in India. As a mobile-first country, improved mobile data connectivity will bring a new wave of consumers to utilize the high-speed internet.”
New Ball Game
And the gaming industry, which is the fastest growing space in digital advertising, has the most to gain, given that India is a mobile-first country, across every segment. Experts like Rohit Agarwal, Founder and Director of marketing agency Alpha Zegus, point out that in a country where mobile gaming dominates over 80 per cent of the online gaming and esports segment, there is no doubt that data speeds and data charges hold tremendous value in the growth of this industry.
“The industry has already seen a CAGR of about 37% in the past couple of years, and telecom operators like Jio, VI, Airtel, etc. have accelerated the growth with the introduction of 4G at a highly competitive price point. In the next five years, the CAGR is expected to hit close to 40%, and in my opinion, over 20% of this would be driven by the introduction of 5G, as 5G will allow gamers from remote parts of India to play high-quality games with ease,” says Agarwal.
This would allow tournament organizers to organize more localized events with higher participation and will be able to reach a wider viewing audience. This, in turn, will give brands more sponsorship opportunities, not only to reach out to a bigger audience base but also to experiment with more complex advertising formats which would otherwise be very data dependent.
Gaming creators and streamers will benefit from this improved speed. That would also mean 3G, 4G connectivity will become highly affordable, allowing more consumers to access it.
“India is heading toward becoming the top gaming country in the world. We expect that with 5G auctions, the existing internet service that is already affordable will become faster, allowing Indians to follow their gaming passion. However, limiting device specifications is a real challenge for some players,” says Halja, concluding, “We believe that mobile cloud gaming solution is an excellent fit for the industry, allowing gamers to pursue their passion without being limited by low-end devices.”
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Razorpay row: Cause for concern for other digital payment brands?
Industry experts say while online payment firms have to be sensitive about user data, the controversy is unlikely to have a lasting impact on brand image
The recent controversy surrounding Razorpay sharing AltNews donor data with the police has once again raised concerns around user privacy in digital domains. The internet has been standing divided for the past few days discussing the legalities and the impact of Razorpay’s move but could it have a lasting impact on the brand image or digital payments at large in the country? Marketing experts disagree.
Speaking to e4m, an industry expert mentioned that the agitation was not certainly only against Razorpay as a brand but about privacy laws or the lack of it. “The brand image might not get impacted in the longer run. Social media controversies die out as soon as they blow up. But yes, they must be making an effort to ensure their existing users and partners that their personal data is safe,” they added.
Rashid Ahmed, Head of Digital, Infectious Advertising had a similar response. “If there's a legally valid request by relevant authorities in India, it would be required of a business or service systems provider to provide requested user information, in accordance with the law. Most large digital enablement service providers have fairly thought through and detailed usage and privacy policies, and a request for data would likely have required a sign-off in consultation with their legal teams. Since the payment gateway provides services to a large number of businesses, it is unlikely that a volume of users who chose not to use the gateway will make any significant impact on the overall base.”
Privacy concerns to grow
However, the concerns around user privacy will only mount with increased user awareness. In fact, it’s not the first time that Razorpay or digital payment gateways have gotten into such a situation. Just a few weeks ago, Razorpay had complained that the company was unable to reconcile receipt of Rs 7.38 crore against 831 transactions as hackers and fraudulent customers stole the amount. And in May 2018, Paytm had come under fire for a similar situation after Cobrapost reported that it had shared personal data of users in Jammu & Kashmir with the Indian government. Albeit, the platform had denied any such claims.
Samsika Marketing Consultants MD Jagdeep Kapoor pointed out, “Privacy is going to be a concern but the platforms, which will keep working ethically and protecting the user data will see no harm in the long run. Brands really have to be sensitive about user data.”
Subscription-based news platforms safe
Asked if the whole controversy could bar people from subscribing to news outlets as data sharing with payment partners would be inevitable, the experts said that the decision would solely rely on the content that such publishers produce, and not on payment gateways.
Kapoor highlighted, “Any industry these days: be it the payment gateways or publishers, or hotels, are taking a lot of user data. You cannot avoid sharing your data and therefore the onus to safeguard it lies on these companies. If a publisher is not tampering with your personal data or sharing it outside, I don’t think users will not subscribe.”
However, Khan felt that the subscription-based model might take a hit. “Many transacting users also have their financial details such as cards, tokenized and set up with their preferred gateways. So, this may also propel businesses to opt for multiple payment gateway service providers.”
Additionally, publishers and any such service providers might look for multiple payment gateways to give users the choice of preference. “Businesses requiring digital payment gateway services will likely opt for multiple service providers, to mitigate against service unavailability, or user preference where gateways is concerned. Many transacting users also have their financial details such as cards, tokenized and set up with their preferred gateways. So, this may also propel businesses to opt for multiple payment gateway service providers,” Khan said.
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1 year of Google News Showcase in India: 130 publications part of the programme
Google News Showcase now supports 8 Indian languages.
Tech giant Google has signed deals with 80 media partners representing more than 130 publications for Google News Showcase, an online news experience programme. Launched last year in India with 30 publisher partners, Google News Showcase has completed one year in the country.
The tech giant's partners include Times Group, The Hindu Group, HT Digital Streams Ltd, Indian Express Group, ABP LIVE, India TV, NDTV, Zee News, Amar Ujala, Deccan Herald, Punjab Kesari, The Telegraph India, IANS, and ANI.
"This time last year, we announced a package of investments to support India’s news ecosystem, including launching Google News Showcase - our new product experience for readers and licensing program for news publishers," Google's Kate Beddoe, Director, News Partnerships, APAC, and Durga Raghunath, Head of India News Partnerships, said in an official blog.
"Since Google News Showcase launched in India last year, we’ve signed deals with more than 80 partners representing more than 130 publications, including national, regional, and local news organizations like Times Group, The Hindu Group, HT Digital Streams Ltd, Indian Express Group, ABP LIVE, India TV, NDTV, Zee News, Amar Ujala, Deccan Herald, Punjab Kesari, The Telegraph India, IANS and ANI. We continue to work towards adding more partners."
Google News Showcase has also expanded to more languages over the past year and now supports a total of 8 languages, including Kannada, Marathi, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, and Bengali - along with English and Hindi. "We’ve also continued our work providing training and resources for news businesses and journalists, for example, GNI Startups Lab, GNI Newsroom Leadership Program, and GNI Advertising Lab," the blog reads. Update
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Amazon miniTV to premiere short film 'Sorry Bhaisaab' on December 16.
Directed and written by Suman Adhikary and Sumit Ghildiyal, the film has Gauahar Khan and Sharib Hashmi in lead roles
Amazon miniTV announces a short film – Sorry Bhaisaab, produced by Arré Studio featuring popular actors Gauahar Khan and Sharib Hashmi in lead roles. Directed and written by Suman Adhikary and Sumit Ghildiyal, Sorry Bhaisaab will premiere on 16th December for free, exclusively on Amazon miniTV on Amazon’s shopping app. The film is a relatable humorous take on the desires, motivations and aspirations of the middle class and their eternal quest for things to make their lives better.
“At Amazon miniTV, we always try to bring fresh, engaging and relatable content for viewers. We are delighted to partner with Arré Studio once again to bring yet another heartwarming and entertaining short film. This is a great addition to our library of award-winning short films”, said Harsh Goyal, Head of Amazon Advertising.
“Sorry Bhaisaab showcases the desires and aspirations of a common middle-class family with a relatable plot. This short film is a very special project for us, as at Arré, we endeavour to narrate different and unique stories that touch audiences’ hearts and entertain them thoroughly. We are delighted to collaborate with Amazon miniTV on this since it will give the film a wide reach across see millions of Indians from all parts of the country.” said Niyati Merchant, Co-Founder and COO, Arré................
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